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They tried to create guantanamo so it would be a black hole, where they could deny human rights and domestic constitutional rights. that case was fought and the bush administration lost. whether they'll be fighting on this issues, sitting in guantanamo in federal district court which they're doing in washington, d.c., or whether you move them to a base or thompson, illinois, they're still going to be arguing these issues in the american courts. >> anthony, i have great respect for you as an attorney and for civil liberties. if you were in the courtroom as an attorney for ksm, wouldn't you say ...

This is not going to render justice. the president's going to find himself running for re-election and not having rendered justice for the victims of 9/11. there are going to be motions in litigation asking for the constitutionality of it. allow coerced evidence. it's a recipe for disaster. >> i'm sorry, but i've been saving this question. i have great respect for you an an advocate for civil liberties. but if you were in court for ksm, wouldn't you say this guy was tortured to get the truth out of him, how can you claim he's getting a fair trial. it seems 1 of 12 jurors in new york could say,...

Himself running for re-election and not having rendered justice for the victims of 9/11. there are going to be motions in litigation asking for the constitutionality of it. allow coerced evidence. it's a recipe for disaster. >> i'm sorry, but i've been saving this question. i have great respect for you an an advocate for civil liberties. but if you were in court for ksm, wouldn't you say this guy was tortured to get the truth out of him, how can you claim he's getting a fair trial. it seems 1 of 12 injure horse in new york could say, i can't convict a guy on principle, if he's been tortured 18...