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Some point you got to show you're ready to take this guy on. you got to show you're prepared to defeat him, not just, well, i'm not donald trump and i'm a better version and, you know, i did this in florida, you've got a third to almost half of the republican base that has aligned themselves. ron, how many members of your congressional delegation have endorsed you? what happened when you were in washington asking those same congress members to join up with you and endorse you? they came out and endorsed trump. i mean, come on, understand what's in front of you. if you don't have a strategy out...

Trump. at least mike pence is standing up. everybody is talking about ron desantis like he is the new thing. i want to see somebody who has the courage to take this guy on, smack him in the face and win. maybe they can't. maybe they are not strong enough or trump is too strong. that's what it's going to take. if they want to beat donald trump, they have to beat him, not just avoid him. >> what do you make of it? >> i'm not a mike pence fan club president over here. i think it's important for him to call it out, to say what happened on january 6. i think nikki haley should do it. we know donald...

At the funeral. and, subsequently, about two or three days later, we got a guy on — an ambulance driver — who said he was taking someone to hospital subsequently who'd heard me on the radio talk about what to look for and all the symptoms to look out and he'd said, "i'm here because of that." so that, to me, debs kind of, radiating all the good vibes. but i felt — i agonised and felt quite — i'm good on guilt. laughter whoa! and i felt guilty for ages after not going to that funeral. but especially after speaking to vicky today and that ambulance driver, i feel as though that's what de...

Thought absolutely long and hard about it because whenever i'd spoken to debs on the radio — and i did the last radio interview with debs, when she was in her garden at home, and i said, "i'm not putting the phone down" because i thought i didn't want to finalise everything, so we hung on — it was like, "you put "the phone down". "no, you put it down." anyway, so, i was invited to the funeral and i agonised about it and ijust decided not go because i thought, "debs..." if i could say to debs, "should i be at your funeral "with everybody else, or have i got this platform "on the day of the ...

Heard me on the radio and it was very emotional for people who were at the funeral. and subsequently, about two or three days later, we got a guy on — an ambulance driver — who said he was taking someone to hospital subsequently who'd heard me on the radio talk about what to look for and all the symptoms to look out and he'd said, "i'm here because of that". so that, to me, debs kind of, radiating all the good vibes. but i felt, i agonised and felt quite — i'm good on guilt. laughter whoa! and i felt guilty for ages after not going to that funeral. but especially after speaking to vicky ...