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Payments or episodes of collusion, first it was complete denial, and now it's just well, if it happened, it wouldn't be a crime. >> right. >> you've covered this administration for some time, jonathan. why do they continue to put out rudy giuliani? why is he the sunday morning show guy or -- is he the best voice for legal matters pertaining to the president of this administration? not to put you on the spot. i know you're going to talk to him later. >> it's a few things. first, for a long time there was no one in this role. the president really wanted a public face an attack dog. someone to mi...

Staff out of restaurants. they are sending private information of senators. he has exposed the hypocrisy and ineptitude of the loyal opposition. people are tuning in and they are saying, who are these people? like i'm in new orleans and i'm like, who is this blumenthal guy or, ellison, what is the standard? you have a picture of your wife or your girlfriend being beaten up and you have medical records and no corroboration on brett kavanaugh and you are destroying his life. people will transcend politics. >> laura: jennifer, the cover of "time" magazine which you have probably seen, and we will...