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Accuse him of is being james bond. this poor guy papadopoulos picked by sam clovis to be part of trump's national security team. this national security team was picked up off the street. if you've had a photo with donald trump you spent more time with donald trump than papadopoulos and page. they aren't paid. they're volunteers. but the f.b.i. thinks we need to watch these guys, manafort as well as who is the other one -- general flynn. they open up a counter intelligence investigation. let's assume for a moment that the small predicate you need has been met. what the hell happened after they ...

It's kind of ridiculous. >> i think one of the outstanding mysteries or challenges is -- of the collection of characters that we've just mentioned, it's very unclear whether any of them have genuine ties to the president or were actually communicating about stuff of substance that relates to the mueller probe with the president. papadopoulos, yes, he was in that room and to any normal -- i get shredded whenever i say this because people are like, he was in the room with sessions and trump. he was e-mail with the campaign manager. people don't understand this campaign. it was a complete like --...

It's kind of ridiculous. >> i think one of the outstanding mysteries or challenges is -- of the collection of characters that we've just mentioned, it's very unclear whether any of them have genuine ties to the president or were actually communicating about stuff of substance that relates to the mueller probe with the president. papadopoulos, yes, he was in that room and to any normal -- i get shredded whenever i say this because people are like, he was in the room with sessions and trump. he was e-mail with the campaign manager. people don't understand this campaign. it was a complete like --...

Senate intelligence committee senator mark warner who joins us from charlottesville, virginia. you just heard what papadopoulos said. do you have reason to believe that jeff sessions perjured himself? >> jake, let's take a step back and look at where we are at this point. the mueller investigation now with the papadopoulos jail sentence, we are now at five or six guilty pleas, over 30 indictments. the key that comes out of -- from what i read about papadopoulos is there was absolute evidence that the russians had dirt and emails on hillary clinton, they offered it to papadopoulos as a trump ca...

George papadopoulos was once dismissed by another campaign aide as nothing more than a coffee boy. well, last year papadopoulos pled guilty to lying to the special counsel about contact he had with a suspected russian agent who allegedly told him the russians had dirt on hillary clinton. papadopoulos didn't provide substantial assistance to the russia investigation, in fact, much of the information he did provide came only after the government confronted him with information it had obtained already on its own. we're back with our panel. this guy papadopoulos, who is -- jonathan, take over for ...