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Of memos. they were both deeply concerned. we were told that kelly believed trump ordered him to do this. dpiv the guy security clearance. maybe the president sees it differently. i don't know. but general kelly certainly walked out of the oval office. and don mcgan laid out his concerns in another internal memo. i think there is the question why lie? that's the big question because the president has absolute authority to give the guys a security clearance if he wants them to have it. >> let me play you what abbe lowell told cnn back in may about this very issue. this has been going on since t...

Give this guy security clearance and you have to decide what to do. they'll call that day. >> so not only do we not take it face value the notion kelly would not have fully known, you're saying just the way a white house operates he would have in fact fully known from his first day on the job about this? >> absolutely. and they weren't waiting for some holy grail. they decided that competence was more important than integrity and decided they were going to skip what is an absolute unbelievable transgression and it was okay because he was good at his job. >> i want to talk about omarosa -- >> d...