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Allah. and when you are in that kind of a situation where at any moment, civilians can be murdered and maimed, i mean, you can't be messing around with national security data. manning should have got 156789 is he 25. i would have gotten -- he serves 15. is he out when he is 40. that would have been fair. you know, carville, here is what amazes me. you are actually sounding level headed. >> i don't quite understand. since you left cnn, you actually sound lucid and you are thinking and you are rationale. what has happened? >> i'm not, no. >> bill: did you read a couple of my books? is that what ...

High tech era in which we live. this guy, just like the other guy snowden, they get in there. they are very savvy. they know where documents are. reports are they are able to asemmable them because they know how to use the technology. there is nobody supervising them apparently. they are storing it here. they are storing it there. it's not difficult to do it. but, a lot of liberal people say that manning, his lawyers today, he didn't mean it he just wanted to expose wrongdoing. you know, the usual lament of intent. and the intent obviously that the government has a responsibility i want to see...

Kind of a situation where at any moment, civilians can be murdered and maimed, i mean, you can't be messing around with national security data. manning should have got 156789 is he 25. i would have gotten -- he serves 15. is he out when he is 40. that would have been fair. you know, carville, here is what amazes me. you are actually sounding level headed. >> i don't quite understand. since you left cnn, you actually sound lucid and you are thinking and you are rationale. what has happened? >> i'm not, no. >> bill: did you read a couple of my books? is that what happened. >> i have never been t...

Kind of a situation where at any moment, civilians can be murdered and maimed, i mean, you can't be messing around with national security data. manning should have got 156789 is he 25. i would have gotten -- he serves 15. is he out when he is 40. that would have been fair. you know, carville, here is what amazes me. you are actually sounding level headed. >> i don't quite understand. since you left cnn, you actually sound lucid and you are thinking and you are rationale. what has happened? >> i'm not, no. >> bill: did you read a couple of my books? is that what happened. >> i have never been t...

Go ahead. >> it all comes back to the high tech era in which we live. this guy, just like the other guy snowden, they get in there. they are very savvy. they know where documents are. reports are they are able to asemmable them because they know how to use the technology. there is nobody supervising them apparently. they are storing it here. they are storing it there. it's not difficult to do it. but, a lot of liberal people say that manning, his lawyers today, he didn't mean it he just wanted to expose wrongdoing. you know, the usual lament of intent. and the intent obviously that the governm...