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On their own web site because this is a hot button issue. right after 911, they said you the employer, you better be careful. you better not discriminate. this is not a nine -- not a 9/11 issue. megyn: it seems they are acknowledging it has a political come point. this guy tom perez. this is the guy involved in the new black panthers case that was dismissed by this department of justice. he's the one who gave testimony under oath to the u.s. commission on civil rights at the next day j. christian adams went in and resigned because he didn't believe mr. perez testified to the truth. so this guy...

Transparency. there are attorneys in the department that know the truth about this case but they have been ordered not to talk about it. i'm in a position where i have given up a great gig at department. top of the pay scale with just got promote. but they can't talk about the truthing witho, only i can. megyn: you have since resigned from the department. >> after being ordered not to comply with the lawful subpoena, after the krups we witnessed in the case i said d after the corruption we witnessed i said i resign. megyn: i want to get to the sirvetion your resignation. this guy tom perez had...

Department justice and issued a warning. >> we had been hearing the facts and the law, ethical obligation argument from the department since the case was dismissed and we know they are false. for tom perez to go under oath to tell the same story to the civil rights commission -- we wanted to make perfectly clear he knew before he did that about the potential of his inaccurate testimony. we told him that buff he still testified -- but he still testified. megyn: did he lie under oath? >> i'm not perjury expert but i know what the law is. megyn: you have sat him down before he gave that sworn tes...

Megyn: are you a disgruntled employee? >> i got outstanding reviews, promoted many times, loved it. love this area of the law. megyn: tom perez came out and said reasonable people can differ. this boimed down between a disagreement between the trial lawyers. an said two people with 60 years experience made the judgment that the evidence didn't sustain the case. he went on to say they looked at the entire totality of the circumstances, they reviewed all the evidence they had before them and it was the product of i think very careful consideration. >> that's false. reasonable people cannot diffe...

Some oversight, about not this congress, the next one, and peel back the truth and let the public see what's really happening. megyn: you spoke earlier of tom perez' testimony to congress and he went before the house and testified that this would and rule 11ette calculate violation for them -- rule 11 ethical violation. >> the attorneys brought an ethical case, a solid case. they are the best in the business. for them to say there was more experience in the attorneys who killed the case is another falsehood. no one had more experience in these issues than we did. the attorneys who killed the c...