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That would be -- >> so, they said that yes, they said it, but they said it in this way that, i was trying to think what is the right metaphor for this. when you are a kid, you are -- a sex scene comes on, that physical awkwardness, that is literally, that physical awkwardness is how they get what trump -- it is all of a sudden, it gets so tight. everything gets tight. everything is, yesterday checked the box of that is a ludicrous argument. yes they both said that. but you could just see them looking for how they get out of the situation. >> all desantis said was, i would be -- the president s...

Their weight behind biden. that is where they could -- >> in terms of what the stakes were tonight, with haley and desantis debating, i felt like just dialytically, rhonda santiff has become a better debater, he has gone from first gear to grinding towards second gear. nikki haley i think has did exactly the way she does, so i think it was slightly better matched in terms of them as candidates. what they are fighting for is the question of whether or not there is going to continue to be both of them in the race. if i understand this gets written by nikki haley in iowa, he is not competitive in...

Iowa that if nikki haley beats ron desantis in iowa, if she comes in second there instead of him, that ron desantis campaign will and, and won't even make it to new hampshire? >> i can give you a yes or no answer. new candidate will never give us, yes your analysis is exactly right. when i talk to most of my sources, it is why i was so do or die. the way desantis attacked the state of iowa is the way getting people on the ground and having the knock doors and commit to caucus all of that is important but what trump continues to show is that by blocking the traditional he can still find success...

Both of whom were refused to talk about the -- of joe biden. that to me as what is needed in the republican primary, someone willing to stand up to him and draw the contrast between his conduct and the character of americans that who and what we are as a nation. so i don't know what the future holds, but i'm a bit remorseful about chris christie getting out of the race. i hope that those of us on the democratic side will pick up the -- carry this campaign that show biden directed to the american people and do it in such a way that we will offer a clear choice to the american people of what it ...

Million, and likely improved his legacy, joy and i were just talking about, that when he said, right, trump is unfit to be president. if you are not willing to say, that you are as well, he had more impact than the tens of millions of dollars that rhonda santas and nikki haley will have spent. it will just end up being unforgettable. >> well, forgettable. >> it struck me as in what you're saying is true, i think the problem chris christie had as he never got to actually say those things with trump onstage. i just sometimes think there is another metaverse where chris christie runs the exact sa...