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I always felt like what the hell? let's play. because it was kind of like dave was -- you know dave had to make his bones. you know, dave had to make his bones. and because he had been so severe with people already, you felt like okay, these are the guys dave has chosen his writers. you know, he's insisting that you be of this standard. i always felt, come on let's try whatever you guys got. try whatever you guys got. those guys were extraordinary. they came up with great ideas. george and steve and jim. all these guys came up with great stuff. and you could -- because you know, i don't think ...

>> george meyer. >> george and people who would say how about this idea.? and because you reserved like a -- unfortunately you could say it was a movie star idiot, you could go, oh, it's cool. i always felt like, what the hell? let's play. because it was kind of like dave was -- you know, dave had to make his bones. you know, dave had to make his bones. and because he had been so severe with people already, you felt like, okay, these are the guys dave has chosen, his writers. you know, he's insisting that you be of this standard. i always felt, come on, let's try whatever you guys got. try wha...