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You've got to accept some incremental progress. you're not going to have a revolution, but you fight every day to get something done. >> where in her past do you see that? >> i see -- >> the ability to do things with the other side? >> certainly when she was elected to the senate. i think a lot of people thought, there's no way she's going to work, especially with some of these republicans who have just been impeaching her husband and trying her husband. and as you know, you talk to people in the senate, including republicans, they say she was businesslike, she didn't hold grudges, she didn't ...

Refugees. our biggest project today is to keeping from young girls from being sold into prostitution. and i can't think of a worse example you may influence young then wrong way than what donald trump is doing. >> yeah. let me ask you about this amazing ability to mix ad vent you are with doing good in this world. it is not just consuming wealth. i was in the peace corps for two years in africa. aid great time with small business guys doing good work. you've went having an adventure. that is a great combination. >> i think you had an adventure, too. and as i said, kids that have been to 80 dif...

Geography" is about the work that people like former president jimmy carter and the dalai lama have done to bring transformational change to developing countries and how others can follow their example. with me now, richard blum. thanks for joining us. your life is a mixture of adventure and doing good. and i was just thinking how different you are from donald trump. because donald trump said, if you're rich, flaunt it. flaunt your money. and only worry about the united states. you, on the other hand, have used your business know-how to focus on the world and developing it, you know, and also,...

Africa than jimmy carter. jimmy carter is 91. >> he is amazing. >> and we need -- by the way, i am involved in the clinton foundation. yes, i give clinton foundation money. i know what they do. and they do an enormous amount of good work. >> my son worked for him in rwanda and making sure the aides, the medicines didn't get in the wrong hands over there. that's an important job. >> an accident of geography by richard blum. thank you. when we return, let me finish with my thoughts on bob dylan who was awarded the nobel prize for literature. you're watching "hardball." the place for politics.

Election invalid. that's terrifying. >> we just heard a moment ago, fred and colleen were talking there, in third world countries, even in russia, the trick is, if you're going to lose, blame it on a rigged system. and if you win, you arrest your opponent to make sure there's no more elections for a while. let's take a look at this scuffle that occurred down in greensboro, north carolina, between a protester -- look at this thing. look at what's going on here. a protester and a trumpian. i think the trumpian did the work there on that guy. jesus. there's a certain physicality here that's not p...