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>> we are sending an armada, very powerful. we have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the aircraft carrier. that i can tell you. and we have the best military people on earth. and i will say this. he is doing the wrong thing. >> let's bring in this evening's panel. a lot to talk about starting with michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia, former special assistant to president obama at the national security council and an msnbc contributor. our terrorism analyst malcolm nance, 35-year veteran of the trade, including navy intelligence, special ops and homeland security. ...

Piling dossier on trump. here is deputy foreign minister. >> trump -- based on the two or three months. >> he doesn't understand fully who is mr. putin. he tough guy. >> reporter: and relies on distinguish more than his adviser. >> he should listen to his people. >> author of the plot to hack america, how wikileaks tried to steal election. ken vo gal, go to you first m l

Election, including the possible ties between donald trump's campaign and the russian government. on thursday, the "washington post" reported trump's incoming national security adviser, michael flynn, spoke on the phone with russia's ambassador the same day president obama expelled 35 russian diplomats and imposed new sanctions on russia. joining me now, michael nance, author of "the plot to hack america," and holly o'toole, senior reporter from "foreign policy" magazine. molly, let me go to you first. i mean, this is a very serious notion that the russian government may have interfered with -...

And knew someone who knew someone. this is what an investigation looks at. the question is whether roger stone or anybody else connected to trump was encouraging russia, knew that russia was hacking, because then you get collusion. we know that michael flynn sat next to putin. we know that carter page gave a speech and said he was representing trump, but one question is to what degree did they know about the hacking and encourage it as well. of course trump encouraged it publicly but otherwise. >> can i make one last point quickly. the most significant thing that i saw in all of this reporting...

Is that the narrative it tells, it tells the exact same narrative you've been telling us since last summer which is that donald trump some years ago was compromised against the russians, that there's compromising information they have on him that they use to keep him loyal. is that a conclusionary document or a research document? >> it's a research document. this is why the journalists and the media are having such a hard time with it. it's not journalism. that's intelligence collection. what you're seeing there is relatively medium to low grade intelligence collection where you're working you...