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About what all of his associates were doing? >> to that point, i'm not sure you heard the sound bite of rudy giuliani, but in the sound bite we played he says robert mueller needs to put up or shut up and essentially he's really narrowly defining what he defines as collusion, essentially saying the president or anyone in his inner circle must have directed and coordinated the russian hack of the dnc for collusion to have happened. this is not even to mention that at some point earlier giuliani has said collusion is not even a crime. that somebody within the president's orbit had to have been i...

Me and people who worked in the campaign, you get to call us hacks if you want to. okay. no matter how noble we might claim to have done that kind of work. but george will, a hack? the leading intellectual of the republican party is being called a hack by donald trump? and then these guys, these candidates are actually going to go into a donald trump event and associate themselves with someone who calls george will hacks. >> if they have any dignity they won't. that's why i'm glad to see most haven't. if they do, there is no party control or mechanism creating sanctioned debates. so somebody l...

Claim to have done that kind of work. but george will, a hack? the leading intellectual of the republican party is being called a hack by donald trump? and then these guys, these candidates are actually going to go into a donald trump event and associate themselves with someone who calls george will hacks. >> if they have any dignity they won't. that's why i'm glad to see most haven't. if they do, there is no party control or mechanism creating sanctioned debates. so somebody like rick santorum who desperate pli needs attention, knows he can do it by participating in the debate. that's how thi...