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Response look like? >> usually when you hear proportional, that means they're still calibrating their response and figure out what exactly they'll do and in the past with cyber attacks, mainly with the chinese companies, they used the naming and shaming as sufficient sort of punishment and you see modification of behavior. we'll see whether or not the behavior of the russians is modified by this naming and shaming. but there's a difference with chinese companies in 2010 and what we have right now which is loosely aligned hack groups and to inflict damages but the question is do you take damage...

About this. we are going to settle this in house. you found, your organization, you tried to just get the data. you're not trying to get e-mails. you're not trying to unravel a scandal. you're trying to find out how federal taxpayer dollars for people in a storm-stricken area are being spent and whether they're being spent disparate and you had to sue to get that information. >> and chris, these are not our arms. these are his numbers. >> right. >> we sued, we got the documentation. we reviewed the documentation. this is what it shows. 40% rejection rate of african-americans. 14% of whites. th...

40% rejection rate of african-americans. 14% of whites. these are his numbers. so when he passes it off as an anomaly -- >> right. >> -- and then wants to, you know, interject all of the negative jargon in regards to calling us hack groups, which is just terribly insulting, especially to the nation's oldest and largest civil rights organization in the country. we are not hardly a hack group. neither is the latino action network or the fair share housing center. >> here's the one thing you might see. i think you might see a little less calling people idiot and calling people hack groups as subp...