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Into the state efforts to combat this. led by democrats. that was defeated by republicans there. how much does this effort also require upgrading what states can handle when the mueller investigation is revealed how these country-backed efforts are going avid states that may not have the cyber know how right now? >> yeah, i mean, every state official you talk to says they need more money, they need upgraded technology. they need more resources. but i actually think that while the sort of vulnerabilities of state election systems are troubling, when you think of the three ways the russians atta...

>> you mentioned the companies. there's also the different states involved and we have a system that decentralizes our elections. something that didn't get a ton of attention was there was a proposal in the house to put $380 million into the state efforts to combat this led by democrats. that was defeated by republicans there. how much does this effort also require upgrading what states can handle when the mueller investigation has revealed how these country-backed efforts are going after individual states that may not have the cyber know-how right now? >> yeah, i mean every state official you...

Stand up to the president. it's perhaps one of the biggest moments of his presidency, and you have the fact that rod rosenstein briefed him on the indictments, and they have evidence that the russians were hack into the democratic party during the election, and it's time to put it in his face and say don't do this again, and the question is whether or not he will do that, anderson. >> it was june 13th, and the words were anticipating and hoping he would come to a miss universe pageant, and -- this is a quote, if so will he become my new best friend? thank you very much. joining us now, jason m...

Paper. >> that is true. paper ballots are important to have a backup system. it's today in context when you look at what the president is doing, his administration, to canada who we have a trade surplus with. one of our great allies. and what we're not doing against one of the greatest global adversaries in russia. wh why? >> pardon me. i am having a bad flashback to 2000 and the paper ballots and hanging chads and all of that stuff. there is no perfect system -- the idea that we can say let's have a paper backup -- there are 50 different election systems essentially in this country. so it's n...

This approach says it's not about having a bunch of regulators come in and tell them how to design it, it's about saying there are real consequences if you do not provide adequate security for the data. you get out there and provide the security. >> they have to figure it out, and frankly, again, if you had a breach, you could show that a breach is limited to a small number of individuals. the fact that 143 million americans had their most personal credit and confidential information hack into, and there's an investigation going, and equifax had a big downturn in their stock price, and what we...