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Publishing them which obviously the justice department greatly objected to. it was hard to see how you would bring a case just on that. could you bring a case for something else, perhaps if he was conspiring with a foreign intelligence service. if he conspired to violate u.s. hacking laws. the second question is if you could bring charges could the u.s. government get their hands on julian assange. there does seem to have been some softening with the relationship with ecuador. the government's position seems to have softened somewhat and that does appear to give the u.s. government a little mo...

A minute, stormy daniels, michael avenatti, the russian thing. michael cohen guy, taxicabs. wait, ukraine. i understand. it feels like you are stuck in a bad novel. too many russian plotlines. >> that's why mueller has a big team of prosecutors. it is complicated. you are dealing with money laundering, dealing with possible collusion, but that's not actually a crime so he is probably looking into conspiracy and underlying obviouses like campaign finance is hacking laws. but i think that the bottom line here for voters should be you know, when did the president know, if anything, about what all...

Collusion here. >> michael and then lauren. michael. >> collusion is not a crime by conspiracy is. it is a crime to conspire to interview with an election. it is a conspiracy to violate hacking laws. so there are conspiracy charges that reside in this case. secondly, i think "the washington post" has reported the communication's been papadopoulos was with manafort and carter. we though who they're communicating with. and so, i think the financial transaction indictment against manafort is the logical first step in leveraging manafort to cooperate if he has information about collusion. similarl...

Emails. but the people that did that are russian citizens and presumably beyond the reach of american law. it may be a crime to -- it is certainly a crime to give a thing of value to an american presidential campaign, although information is not usually considered a thing of value, under election law. but if you have not broken the eavesdropping laws, the hacking laws or the election laws, the most horrifying act of talking to a foreign intelligence service and getting infor ting to use against your opponent is not a crime. >> and why steve bannon tonight facing two subpoenas has suddenly clam...