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Social media point, by now two years in, shouldn't you also be against -- it's sort of like attacking a crazy uncle. it's okay for me to attack my uncle but i don't want you in my family business. shouldn't he say now that i'm president, i want to make sure for better or worse the only people influencing our elections are american? >> right. this was sort of a more organized term than the bush of russian bloggers, americans were duped into participating in it, the indictment spells out in great detail this sort of orchestrated way that on the influence side, not the hacking side, the russians ...

Considerable suspicion. >> jeffrey, just to be precise, it may not necessarily be illegal, but it is clearly wrong to hire an israeli company to create fake social media personas and entities and individuals to go out and mislead the american public. >> well, i think that might actually be illegal. not on the foreign side of things, but just on the hacking side of things. to create false internet entries, whether they are social media or e-mails, i mean that is a crime under american law. here i think, as mark's story very clearly points out, it did not come to fruition, but the plan it seems ...

To what's left in washington. i have to believe there are enough of my colleagues who are more nervous this morning, calling for this to wind up or shut down, when the special counsel really delivers. there's only one more piece to go, right? we have all the players in the social media side now indicted. we have all the players on the hacking side now indicted. the only question remaining is, who are the americans who knew about it, who conspired with them? they're coming next. everybody better keep their mouth shut. it may include folks in close to the trump campaign. we should all just wait ...

Farce an the techniques they use, a lot of different techniques from remote hacking to physical techniques installing spy aware physically on a targeted computer. they essentially profile a target's computer by a hacking. that can track cookies that pop up on that computer. they can track -- even tap into microsoft's error messages to try to navigate on to that computer. it's amazing what they can do. they can hacking into blackberry service to read e-mails of a targeted person. that's on the hacking side. on the physical side, they actually intercept computer shipments if you're a bad guy get...