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Job. that has been a major subject of discussion. the afghan taliban i think we all feel that we can do more and we want to do more and we want to work with the pakistanis to further our common interests. and so on and so forth. >> do more against them, do more to disrupt them even as they take sanctuary in someplaces in pakistan? >> put them under more pressure. it is a very serious issue because to succeed in a guerrilla war of this sort sanctuary is the greatest vulnerability. >> one of the main things you're working on is how this all ends, whether there can be negotiation, whether there c...

Afghanistan, they'd be welcome. but the two or three top leaders of hakani would fall under what david petraeus and i would call probably irreconcilables. >> more with america's diplomat richard holbrooke coming right up. [ whistling ]

Taliban. then you have the pakistani taliban i just mentioned. then you have the l.e.t., the group that targets india, which caused the mumbai bombing. then you have last but definitely not least the separate group of terrorists called the hakani network which i know you heard on your trip to afghanistan is the group that is, that goes in from the eastern part of afghanistan right into kabul and they attack the indian embassy and so on. so all of these different groups. the pakistanis are fighting the pakistani taliban very aggressively. they've taken over 4,000 casualties. the pakistani talib...

Some folks were saying that all along, that that was their plan for july 2011. is this a big deal? >> yes, we have had mixed messages, unfortunately, people like secretary gates on hillary clinton, saying, well it is likely to be conditions based and i don't think we'll see a mass exodus in july of 2011 and you have people like the vice president and chief of staff, rahm emanuel saying we'll be removing huge numbers of troops in july, 2011. and, this confusion is having serious on the ground consequences, the front page story in the "new york times" today, about the efforts of pakistan and som...

Complex plot involving a lot of people that might be easier to detect. so i think that kind of threat where the threat is actually -- the threat of large scale harm is reduced, but the likelihood of some kind of an attack being successful is increased. and i think that's a concern. the other concern we have really affects what's going on in afghanistan and pakistan. and that is the creation of this terrorist organizations that are working with each other. al qaeda, the taliban in pakistan, the taliban in afghanistan, the hakani network, there are five of six of these groups that are working to...