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And says okay, find out tariffs. they fight it out. the media covers the fight. ultimately the decision is made. the drama is there. but that's how the president makes decisions. >> shannon: chris stirewalt, author of "the half town report," joins us. what do you make of it? the president likes to set up rivals to duke it out. he doesn't care about the outside view that it's chaotic. >> i think he thrives in chaos. he's a creature of chaos. for the period of time, if you think back to the period from september until wherever this went off the skids, this current iteration of white house cast. ...

And says okay, find out tariffs. they fight it out. the media covers the fight. ultimately the decision is made. the drama is there. but that's how the president makes decisions. >> shannon: chris stirewalt, author of "the half town report," joins us. what do you make of it? the president likes to set up rivals to duke it out. he doesn't care about the outside view that it's chaotic. >> i think he thrives in chaos. he's a creature of chaos. for the period of time, if you think back to the period from september until wherever this went off the skids, this current iteration of white house cast. ...