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Long hearing that you've been hearing about is basically the cyberninjas -- it's like we're watching reruns on tv. these are the same sorts of things that they've will be throwing out there for months. half truths, misinformation. and allegations that have already been debunked. >> well, the former president is still clinging to his false election fraud claim, despite what the arizona audit says. shortly after a draft of the report was released, trump issued this misleading statement. the audit has uncovered significant and undeniable evidence of fraud. this is a major criminal event and shoul...

So, of course, here we are talking, again, bill. this obviously took months to get this point. what was your reaction here, initially, to this report? >> well, erin, thanks for having me. i was very pleased to hear that the count of the ballots by the cyber ninjas came out almost exactly as the count came out for maricopa county. so that was very encouraging. i was, frankly, surprised by that. but what i was discouraged by is the fact that this afternoon-long hearing that you have been hearing about is basically the cyber ninjas -- it's like we're watching reruns on tv. these are the same sort...

>> joining me a democrat from committee. congressman, welcome back to the broadcast. always good to see you. donald trump is still very much the leader of the gop and we know his supporters are planning another rally on september 18th. how likely is the party to turn away from conspiracy theories? >> not anytime soon. they are clearly in the hands of donald trump. they are clearly going to follow him. he continues to purvey his lies and half-truths and conspiracy theories. the republican party will be controlled by donald trump. the problem is are there enough republicans like adam kinzinger a...

Point where i don't know whether the administration, particularly the president and certainly his spokespeople, whether they don't know or whether they're just being dishonest. we have heard a lot of half truths, we've heard a lot of double speak and we've heard some all-out lies since this whole thing started. so i'm at the point where every thing that is said now, i'm very skeptical of. and i watch frankly the reporting by fox news to see what on-the-ground picture looks like versus what we're hearing from the white house and then i talk to people involved in getting people out right now. i'...

Kenya is surrounded by countries where democracy is just a word in the dictionary, though Kenyans can also argue that they are headed that way.