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Ceremonial sauna involved tight enclosed spaces and intense temperatures. you've talked to people. what did they say it was like? >> i talked to people and a few days after this happened i went to a sweat lodge run by native americans. native americans developed this concept, and they are very angry at people like james ray who charge to go in there. the whole idea is to chant and purify yourself, very hot and claustrophobic and intense. the native americans say if you get hot, walk out the door. just tell us. if you feel like you're going to die, you're not going to make it and people started...

Hallucinating pills and they don't know what they're going. >> if you watch the speech, he's the one on drugs, he's the one hallucinating. he's the one, you know, telling his people that he's going to exterminate them and going to do to them what the chinese did in tiananmen square. >> do you worry he may counterattack there? >> it's possible, but we are not afraid. we broke the fear barrier. we are not afraid of him anymore. the best example for that, i'm showing my face. people are showing their faces to the camera. they are not afraid of him. they are not afraid of his thugs. his thugs disa...

The old casualties. but the bad news is the massacre committed against our fellow countrymen in tripoli. >> in tripoli, which is where gadhafi is, he's still holding onto power. what are you hearing about the situation there? >> that's his base of power, that's the last stand. that's the injured animal cornered. he will fight and he's insane. he's really insane. he doesn't care about the libyan people. he never did. but now he wants to commit suicide and he will take as many people with him as possible. >> gadhafi went on television today essentially saying that the protesters are taking drugs...

>> that's his base of power, that's the last stand. that's the injured animal cornered. he will fight and he's insane. he's really insane. he doesn't care about the libyan people. he never did. but now he wants to commit suicide and he will take as many people with him as possible. >> gadhafi went on television today essentially saying that the protesters are taking drugs, that they're taking hallucinating pills and they don't understand what they're doing and that they will all be killed. >> if you watch the speech, he's the one on drugs, he's the one hallucinating. he's the one, you know, te...

There is no more casualties. hospitals are coping with the casualties. the old casualties. >> in tripoli, which is where gadhafi is, he's still holding onto power. what are you hearing about the situation there? >> that's his base of power, that's the last stand. that's the injured animal corner. he will fight and he's insane. he's really insane. he doesn't care about the libyan people. he never did. but now he wants to commit suicide and he will take as many people with him as possible. >> gadhafi went on television today essentially saying that the protesters are taking drugs, that they're t...