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Egypt. martha: wow. that's a pretty powerful statement. doug, you've just written a piece in which you argue that it is very likely that the muslim brotherhood will take power in egypt. >> right, martha. what i did was i looked at the public opinion polls, and it suggests strongly that about 60 percent of the country supports the muslim brotherhood or more and only about 20 percent in the best case are secular. i'd say in a democratic election, the muslim brotherhood, or those allied with it, will win almost certainly a majority in the parliament and probably the presidency, if they can contes...

People seek. so you get the sense like a lot of this crisis, the white house wished that mubarek and company had moved quicker a long time ago. bill: you get the impression that no one has much influence here, mike. whether it's washington, whether it's forces in the middle east, whether it's saudi arabia, iran, or israel. you can add them up. and what appears to be happening in egypt is that there's a group of about a dozen men who are making decisions. mubarek is at the head of that table. that is probably, in all likelihood, the reality that the world has watched now, so with that as a back...

And we will have how people react to that news. former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld goes on the record with greta, why he is striking such a cautionary tone when it comes to egypt. >> you can have a very broad popular uprising and not have it end up in democracy or a freer political situation, but a small group like in iran, take over the country and impose their will because they happen to be the best organized and most disciplined. i see a lot of teeth that look great...

Provide more information, i'd be happy to do so in closed session, but -- >> all right. i would appreciate that. >> it would be difficult to do it in open session. martha: all right. that was a bit awkward moment there during that hearing. i'm joined by democratic congressman adam shipp on the house intelligence committee, he was in that room and joins me now. congressman, good morning, good to have you here. >> good morning. martha: it was a strange moment when mr. clapper basically said that he felt that the muslim brotherhood was a secular group, he had to sort of back pedal on that and exp...

Secular, which has eschewed violence and has de cried al-qaeda as a per investigation of islam. martha: this is a group that's called for the end of israel as we basically know it and the implementation of sharia law in many of these countries, terry. >> right. this is the political alternative to mubarek, unfortunately. doug's piece was dead on. all public opinion polling out of egypt describes a move to the very conservative muslim brother hood outcome. you know, what we seem to be losing here is our key focus. national security of the united states. the stability of the region. over the cou...