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You as a president. >> what do you say to other electors who actually don't believe they even have the power to make a choice? >> i think you're in the wrong seat. o you've been put in the wrong office. the electoral college is designed to be a safety valve, and there's almost a three-prong test. is this someone who can protect the national interest and do they have a financial interest? i think the heard it is clearly objective. but i think mr. trump fails on all three. >> you're right. it is very clear go the original intent of the electoral college that alexander hamilton intended for you, ...

-- hamilton and madison's view, wiser than the person on the street. and yet we've seen the electoral college morph into this rubber stamp. do you think there's any chance of turning other electors to see this the way you do. >> i'm not sure that was my intent. we will see what other electors do. i'm not sure. i haven't had much communication with other electors. my goal, though, is december 20th to have a clear conscience, that i did not cast a ballot for someone i feel is unqualified. that i did not take a lazy approach myself. and if that makes me an asterisk in history, that's okay. i thin...