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He's not even close to that fact. that's a shame and a disgrace. that's unbelievable, i think. nothing like this happened with the republicans and nixon, and his crimes were less than this. >> and congresswoman before we lose you, the other question i wanted to ask we heard a lot about whether some witnesses have secondhand accounts. they're saying what they saw and who they talked to, but the president was not always in the room. i wonder if that builds more pressure on the white house in your view to then bring the firsthand bts in, bring mulvaney and bolton and others in which you know the ...

Fourth hand and no hand information in some cases. you can't actually know what was really said when you're relying on third, fourthhand information. >> now bill taylor does rely on information that he was told by gordon sondland who said he was told it by either president trump or rudy giuliani. so it is secondhand, not third, fourth or fifth-hand but he does have a point that bill taylor doesn't have firsthand information because he never spoke with president trump. >> that is not unfair. however bill taylor is the person that our current secretary of state crei-- recru to come and take the ...

And off of capitol hill tomorr tomorrow. >> neil: it's going to be interesting. the next guest does have a front row seat to the inquiry. scott perry sits on the foreign affairs committee. the committee that has been questioning a lot of these witnesses, tomorrow we will be hearing from the acting ambassador and assistant deputy secretary of state george kent. what do you expect of tomorrow? >> i certainly don't expect any bombshells. i think the most important thing is that we've already heard from these two witnesses. the most important thing is that neither of these two individuals were on ...

What's going to happen, when you find out who the whistleblower is, i'm confident you are going to find out it's somebody from the deep state. you're going to find out that they had interactions with schiff. this thing is going to stink to high heaven. brian: support of the reason is people say the whistleblower's complaint was verified by various people in the state department. okay. but if you want to know who is going to launch an investigation knew, wouldn't you like to know if they have a political action to grind? wouldn't you like to know if they were hooked up with maybe the person tha...

Pentagon attesting to what happened. >> so maybe the president was -- has been watching this segment because i forgot one thing that the president has used here and he has just reminded us because the president has just tweeted i want to put the tweet up. where is the whistle-blower who gave so much false information? must testify along with schiff and others! so, natasha, this is the whole part of this strategy that i've -- like it's just gone from my brain. the idea that somehow this is the whistle-blower's fault. the whistle-blower's a liar. the whistle-blower didn't have first hand informa...