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The ukraine foreign minister, based probably on some of that testimony, said it didn't happen. zelensky said it didn't happen. those are the people directly involved. you can bring with up people that have third and fourthhand information. i thought this was supposed to be about finding facts, and if they're going to try to impeach a president of the united states, shouldn't it e be based on something that actually happened versus one person's opinion of a thirdhand conversation? chris: well, okay. all right. you raised the question that i had raised a hypothetical, and i think that's fair, si...

The ukraine foreign minister, based probably on some of that testimony, said it didn't happen. zelensky said it didn't happen. those are the people directly involved. you can bring with up people that have third and fourthhand information. i thought this was supposed to be about finding facts, and if they're going to try to impeach a president of the united states, shouldn't it e be based on something that actually happened versus one person's opinion of a thirdhand conversation? chris: well, okay. all right. you raised the question that i had raised a hypothetical, and i think that's fair, si...

The ukraine foreign minister, based probably on some of that testimony, said it didn't happen. zelensky said it didn't happen. those are the people directly involved. you can bring with up people that have third and fourthhand information. i thought this was supposed to be about finding facts, and if they're going to try to impeach a president of the united states, shouldn't it e be based on something that actually happened versus one person's opinion of a thirdhand conversation? chris: well, okay. all right. you raised the question that i had raised a hypothetical, and i think that's fair, si...

Fourth hand and no hand information in some cases. you can't actually know what was really said when you're relying on third, fourthhand information. >> now bill taylor does rely on information that he was told by gordon sondland who said he was told it by either president trump or rudy giuliani. so it is secondhand, not third, fourth or fifth-hand but he does have a point that bill taylor doesn't have firsthand information because he never spoke with president trump. >> that is not unfair. however bill taylor is the person that our current secretary of state crei-- recru to come and take the ...