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When you talk about really thwarting the will of congress, we see what happened in previous administrations. this president is all about making sure that the american people tax dollar is accounted for. i'm glad he is doing it. frankly most americans are as well. >> martha: let me ask you this. he would like to bring mick mulvaney, john bolton and the adviser to mick mulvaney and the associate director of the national security in as the witnesses and he would like to see them as witnesses on the senate side. the belief is they had closer activity to president's intentions in the phone call and...

Anti-institutionalism of trump that they're throwing their lot in with. if you allow that to succeed and you keep it at a 47-47 result, that is a very unsatisfying result for the democrats. in some ways, the democrats will have won. so i think they'll need to turn up the heat. i think the republicans have given them their opening by sayingering with don't have enough facts on the table. we don't have enough motive. as you point out, in 1998 and 1999, we had a year of starr's investigation. every single witness had been either deposed or before the grand jury. there were three, in the case of c...

Witnesses. they're also throwing that out there. which is to say as a reminder, okay. if you have these other people with first hand knowledge, that would be great to hear from them. by the way, this is what we're actually talking about is the withholding of this aid. >> right. they're trying to keep a focus on what's at issue here. they've also asked for all of the documents that we already know have been collected and are highly relevant to this issue of what the president knew when this aid was being withheld. also the white house meeting, don't forget about that. that's another issue on wh...

>> joining us now, david gregory, rachael bade, and jennifer rodgers. david gregory, let's put those four faces back on the screen that the senate majority leader chuck schumer says he wants to see in a senate impeachment trial. this is the opening salvo from senator schumer in the negotiations with mitch mcconnell which will begin soon. and to me what this looks like is schumer trying to put pressure on republicans now. saying if you don't want to hear from these fact witnesses, from these four people who have first hand knowledge of what transpired, it's on you to explain why. >> it's clear ...

Goes hand in hand with sort of the flip side of it which is republicans and officials in the white house saying how can people take this inquiry seriously if they're not talking to people with firsthand knowledge but then how can they talk to people with firsthand knowledge if the white house won't let the people with first hand knowledge or the documents documenting the events as they played out be available to these congressional impeachment investigators? >> and just so people can understand what we're talking about. jennifer williams just remind you gis what she said about the classified i...