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Frum is right. we need to be better than. we need to be better than to descend to where trump wants us to go. >> he said he wanted her fired. but was the lady in the administration who said the horrible thing about john mccain was she fired? >> of course not and they haven't apologized. i agree with everything everybody is saying. trump's hypocrisy is endless because he is trashing our public discourse, using horrible language, abusing people, he is bullying. but i also agree you can't just copy him and expect to get away with it. we saw for example during the 2016 campaign when marco rubio go...

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Bullying. but i also agree you can't just copy him and expect to get away with it. we saw for example during the 2016 campaign when marco rubio got desperate and started talking about hand size and all that kind of stuff, and that was lights out for him. there's only one person who can play this low game and that's donald trump. and you're not going to win by imitating him. and you're basically playing to this what about-ism. because who cares about the fact roseanne barr is saying these horrible racist things because samantha bee is insulting donald trump. that's the real story. i would say c...

Reference to the loyalty pledge that trump sought and did not receive from comey. so far there has been no response to any of this from the white house. but on that, let's bring in our leadoff panel on a thursday night. philip rucker, white house bureau chief for "the washington post." jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press. both have already read comey's book. also with us, former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. welcome to you all. jonathan, i'll start with you. how does comey come across in this book? corollarily, how does trump ...

That particular subject on this president. so here in this country, you know, it shouldn't be good for ratings when people are calling the president a fake president and you're posting pictures mocking hand size and, you know, accusing the president of having dementia. listen, there might be people out watching this right now saying, yeah, i agree. but that shouldn't sell. as far as the president of the united states goes, he is the president of the united states. he is the most powerful person in the entire world, and a lot of people look up to that position and with regret respect, including...