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There's a profile written about her in the new york times the other day that at age 12 she was in school trying to take a test and a boy lit her ponytail on fire, and she put her hand up, put out the fire, and kept taking her test. that's an example of her strength and fortitude which america got to see in that hearing today. and so for witnesses like her, for lieutenant colonel vindman and some of the other public servants who came forward to what they heard and saw in the jobs as it related to foreign policy going on with ukraine, ho for them to do so with the kind of credibility they carry,...

Hollywood. with that in mind, what do you think the white house truly makes of some of the testimony this week and the people giving it? >> well, the white house should be very concerned about the testimony that came out this week, and most especially fiona hill who provided a quota to extraordinary weeks of testimony. her biography which you got into the at the top of the show at 11:00 is compelling and important. this is a woman who grew up in england, the daughter of a coal miner. there's a profile written about her in the new york times the other day that at age 12 she was in school trying...

So you can get a hand up, that is very powerful. brian: right. steve: that's why, you know, you look at the number of people with that point of view, you add up all the people who support that, it's a big number. brian: right. i think if you want to say ceos get paid too much. you got a point. so dollars and some other ceos turn around do you know how much i have generated for everybody. steve: that's a business decision. if the business can afford to pay you, that's how capitalism works. brian: you put that board in place and that board votes you a massive raise and incentives. that's when pe...

Seems to very much indicate plain as day there was a quid pro quo. >> it's also not a transcript, that's the other thing to point out as it says on page one of the nontranscript, it's not a transcript. mike, in order to believe the president's case here that he did nothing wrong, you have to believe that bob mueller and bill tailor and marie yovanovitch and lieutenant colonel vindman and a lot of people who served this country for a long time under republicans and democrats are all lying, that they put their hand up, they sat down for a deposition, and made up stories, perhaps, i don't know, g...

Democratic country, fighting for independence in the face of russian aggression. they reach out to america for a hand out and a hand up and the response they get from president trump is i need you to do me a favor, though. raskin says that was damning. republicans know it. and that is why they have tried to throw a wrench into this entire process and upend today's position. >> kelly, i was looking at a conversation or an exchange that senator cornyn had with one of our -- one of my colleagues here at nbc news. and he was asked about bill taylor's testimony and said that bill taylor is a credib...