The last time was herbert hoover, they are pointed to him as business leader. is that an asset? >> a guy that has 75,000-employee company with operations on six continents around the globe, sat across the table from finance ministers, that's a great asset for this role. he brings outsiders' perspective and he can get things done. he's great at executing, this is a worthy choice for trump, the question is can he inform trump's policies views and shape them. that's what senators are going to be looking at the hearing. clayton: how do you think he's going handle this, rex, this is the first time ...