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To be successful, then we could have a more formal handshake summit. >> but what you have described is a traditional, appropriate, diplomatic process. you are dealing with someone who is an outsized personality who likes to call audibles, who thinks he's a better deal maker than any of the pros, who has blindsided his secretary of state who has lost face over all of this. what is the likelihood they will go into it in a low key way? >> you asked me what i think should happen. you didn't ask me what i thought would happen. i'm making a distinction between the two. we should approach it the way ...

What would your suggestions be to this team? >> well, in the first instance, i think it's very important to frame this first meeting at the head of state level, not as a negotiation, but as an informal first set of talks. and i think secretary tillerson is trying to pivot in that direction. an informal set of talks that would then, if they are successful, hand off to experts on both sides who would have the mandates of their leaders to negotiate the substantive details of a potential agreement. and the president should hold out the prospect, in my judgment, of a formal summit meeting with more...

No matter how it evolved, dr. rice? >> well, i am not of the view that a summit in itself is a bad thing. i think it matters entirely how we do it and as you pointed out a number of times already in the broadcast, summits, in order for them to succeed, have to be well prepared. this one was hastily agreed and it's questionable whether it can be well prepared in the time frame that we have. we also have the challenge of the fact that we have a president who hasn't conducted a successful negotiation dmoe domestically or internationally, who doesn't seem to like to prepare or be detail-oriented, ...

Very long process. probably the single biggest attribute we'll need with this particular issue is stamina. >> we'll wait to see whether we all have the stamina to deal with all of these new developments and a new way of leading the country. thank you both very much. the book is "radical inclusion" on leadership and to both of you, ori brafman and general dempsey, good to see you. we're waiting to hear when and where this summit will take place. will be it a summit, a meeting? joining me is mark landler from "the new york times," the white house correspondent who has had so much to write and ...

This south korean envoy was in the west wing. he was meeting with general mcmaster and others, and he summoned him to the oval office. gathered his top aides around him and when mr. chung, the south korean, told him kim jong-un wanted to meet on the spot, the president said let's do it. and then he asked mr. chung to go out and tell the white house press corps. and that set off this very panicked kind of huddle among the president's aides about how you actually do that. i mean, this gentleman is an official of a foreign government to have him walk into the white house briefing room and announc...