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I think what one question is, was he directed to lie? and under -- and why did he lie? but another possibility is that this false statement is not the actual reason that mueller is this -- was so interested in flynn. he's interested in flynn because of other things he may know and that that's actually the body of his cooperation, this lie was merely the low hanging fruit leverage that he had that could -- that they could plead and that could, by the way, didn't necessarily involve anything classified. and so you could -- you could do it all in public. >> good point. >> in a way that maybe some...

Flynn. he's interested in flynn because of other things he may know and that that's actually the body of his cooperation, this lie was merely the low hanging fruit leverage that he had that could -- that they could plead and that could, by the way, didn't necessarily involve anything classified. and so you could -- you could do it all in public. >> good point. >> in a way that maybe some other stuff was not doable in public. >> then there's also the fact, which of course we all know but i was just going back through it to remind myself of this set of facts about this, about comey and the expli...