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Concessions and the other thing this source pointed out was if he even gets there and this person was not sure that kevin would get there, he said the chaos caucus as john boehner used to call them, he's going -- kevin mccarthy will be held hostage. >> the nice term of what john boehner used to call it. >> speaking of john boehner, kevin mccarthy is living what two other past speakers experienced themselves, this has been over a decade in the making for republicans dealing with the small group within their conference who basically doesn't want anything. they just want to fight. i thought it wa...

The west wing, to your previous point, has been always full of people, both genders, sharp elbows, hard noses, people don't suffer fools, people don't scare easily. but you've written that this departure of a bolton deputy may have more weight than a departure of, say, a chief of staff. walk us through that flowchart and the reasoning. >> well, i just think the point i made earlier is just we have known that kelly has been on his way out for a long time. you know, his frustration level with both the white house and with president trump has been well known. i thought that the news today about m...

Now she's been engaged in the conversation. the west wing, to your previous point, has been always full of people, both genders, sharp elbows, hard noses, people don't suffer fools, people don't scare easily. but you've written that this departure of a bolton deputy may have more weight than a dep departure of, say, a keechief o staff. walk us through that flowchart and the reasoning. >> well, i just think the point i made earlier is just we have known that kelly has been on his way out for a long time. you know, his frustration level with both the white house and with president trump has been...

People, both genders, sharp elbows, hard noses, people don't suffer fools, people don't scare easily. but you've written that this departure of a bolton deputy may have more weight than a departure of, say, a chief of staff. walk us through that flowchart and the reasoning. >> well, i just think the point i made earlier is just we have known that kelly has been on his way out for a long time. you know, his frustration level with both the white house and with president trump has been well known. i thought that the news today about mira ricardel and this clash she'd had with the first lady and t...