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Congressman, i think he might be living in an alternative universe here, president trump is running circles -- >> didn't breitbart just prove his point, though? >> right. >> he's running circles around the democrats right now, we had chuck schumer who face planted on his failed shutdown, we know the democrats aren't going to do that, while the democrats have completely imploded on this, the -- >> you're absolutely right about that, right on, they completely caved, i don't know why they shut the government down. what we're talking about -- >> hold on, no, no, answer the question, then you can s...

>> here's the genius thing -- >> hold on no, no, no, answer the question and then you can spin. >> i'm answering your question. >> we're talking about the red -- the base as he said, the hardcore base and -- >> exactly. >> -- right-wing media. >> let me get to that. what the president is doing now, is getting out there and setting markers, both on the border security, ending chain migration, getting rid of the visa lottery, getting rid of the daca system so we don't have this repeat over and over again. he is defining the terms in which we're going to go and secure our border and make sure we ...

Hardcore base, and not everyone, is involved in electoral politics. >> you have to tend to this garden of democracy, otherwise things can fall apart fairly quickly. and we've seen societies where that happens. now, presumably, there was a ballroom here in vienna in the late 1920s or '30s that looked pretty sophisticated. and seemed as if, you know, with the music and the art and the literature and the science that was emerging, it would continue into perpetuity. and then 60 million people died. and an entire world was plunged into chaos.

That they're exhausted by this president. they want to register their displeasure with him. the tax bill might help with your donors, it might help revive your hardcore base. there's a lot of voters out there that are going to show up next year to vote against trump. >> even if the -- and if the tax bill, if it does pass, and it doesn't go as planned, and it causes the debt and deficit and all of that, then this president and the republicans will own that. >> i want to get you in, this is the new reporting, i want to get your response to it. >> president trump has questioned the politics of hi...

That's the game of this because this overall strategy for president trump, in my opinion, he absolutely must keep his hardcore base. i think we mentioned before, right now he's somewhere between 35% and 38% approval ratings. he knows if it gets below 30% and stays there for very long, republicans will turn on him. >> that's what i want to ask you because you don't -- i -- republicans aren't -- i don't see many republicans, if any, really coming out after yesterday's testimony and supporting the president. the rnc put something out. reince priebus -- not reince priebus -- paul ryan said oh, you...