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In prison, for your son? it's not a negative for you? >> nah. >> in another context, in another environment, it might be a parent saying to their child, if you don't end up being a doctor i'll still love you. with duker it was, like, if his son didn't end up being a crip, he would still love him. ♪ >> my children. i was born into it, you know what i mean? you're going to end up in prison or in a casket. you know what i mean? ♪ coming up -- >> i'm part of a pretty intimidating group. when we're on the yard, we're 20, 30 deep. pretty big white boys. nobody really challenges that. >> a gang...

They trust us and in turn we trust them somewhat. >> one of the gang members the officers cultivated a relationship with was tommy holloman. >> these guys, they know everything. there's a lot of rats at this place. these cops know everything that goes on pretty much. >> we've been hearing about tommy holloman while we were at limon. as the shock collar of the white supremacist gang. when we first encountered him, i was a little taken aback. i was expecting this mean, tough, hardcore guy. instead it was this tommy that we came to know who seemed shy, a little timid. a little withdrawn. >> i hav...

And we use the leaders a lot to control that. and they know if there's problems out here they can come to us and not be a snitch. >> how? how is that possible? >> part is the clout that they carry. out on the yard, there's not hardly anybody out there that's going to walk up to a leader and call him a snitch. that's part of it. the part of it is the rapport we build over the years with them. they trust us and in turn we trust them somewhat. >> one of the gang members the officers cultivated a relationship with was tommy holloman. >> these guys, they know everything. there's a lot of rats at th...

Tough hardcore guy. and instead, it was this tommy that we came to know.

>> in another context, in another environment, it might be a parent saying to their child, if you don't end up being a doctor i'll still love you. with duker it was, like, if his son didn't end up being a crip, he would still love him. ♪ >> my children. i was born into it, you know what i mean? you're going to end up in prison or in a casket. you know what i mean? ♪ coming up -- >> i'm part of a pretty intimidating group. when we're on the yard, we're 20, 30 deep. pretty big white boys. nobody really challenges that. >> a gang leader with a twist. >> i was expecting this mean, tough hard...