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Flying is that people here are now discussing whether this might not have been the last profit warning from fox one this profit warning now is about cost in the united states what about the money here in germany remember that first one was allowed by the german government to equip the cars where the diesel cheating happens with the new software which is cheaper and easier solution then installing a new hardware in those engines but car dealers folks who aren't dealers say that this is not enough that the customers are very angry that they want the more expensive hardware solution so it's not f...

The empirical problem is. i think there is going to have to be something other than lashing out and saying the consumer is holding it wrong, it's someone else's fault. that is going to be a problem. but whether it is a software solution or a hardware solution or a recall, i mean a recall nor a company like apple, they're a very wealthy company so they can afford something like that. but, there's no reason to do a recall if there is a solution other than something radical. >> this is interesting today. "wall street journal" reporting apple engineers were aware and made steve jobs aware of this ...

And a hardware solution when we don't really have a hardware solution. this is what everybody's going to get their hands on. if you already purchased one, you'll get your money back. i think it is worth noting, nearly 3 million people have already pick up the iphone 4. people aren't running to the store to take this phone back. it is an incredible phone. absolutely. does it have its flaws, yes. did they admit they had their flaws, yes. we're finally acknowledging the situation, not putting the onus on people holding the phone wrong. here, we put a band-aid on it. end of story. >> all right. >>...