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>> i think that historically what we've seen with al qaeda is that their interest in getting on the big stage, attack on the scale of 9/11. i think what we see with isis now is to push to attack where you stand. in other words you don't necessarily have to come over to syria and train with us and come back to the united states. if you support us go out and harm americans right now. so they're telling people trying to activate them that was the concern over the fourth of july that there are so many people now who are supportive of isis and that entire cause. and they have the capability to go o...

Elsewhere to get back into the united states. but if they can't get out, is there an opportunity for them to do something here to raise their profile and have an impact? >> shawn, from a law enforcement standpoint you know, there are people who are very skeptical when they hear about a case like this and hear wait a confidential informant told this guy how to go down and get a passport. how smart can this guy have been if he didn't know how to go down and get himself a passport is there an element set up or a path? from a law enforcement standpoint how do you defend that? >> when you've got pe...

Demonstrate he was intending to go over. he wanted to cause harm. so that's a balance part of the investigation. you can't turn the head. you've got to follow these to their logical conclusion to make sure you keep americans safe. >> if you don't do that if you don't go down the road with them and do something, god forbid something happens, you get blamed for not having fully investigated. >> i mean the fbi is looking to collect evidence of their intentions. they were very clear on what their intentions were. they had to provide the capability to record that activity so it was very clear that ...

There's a balance, a freedom of speech in what somebody says and aspirational of what is real. the fbi about introducing confidential informant is looking to get overt acts to demonstrate he was intending to go over. he wanted to cause harm. so that's a balance part of the investigation. you can't turn the head. you've got to follow these to their logical conclusion to make sure you keep americans safe. >> if you don't do that, if you don't go down the road with them, and do something, god forbid something happens, you get blamed for not having fully investigated. >> i mean, the fbi is looking...

No taller than 5'4". both wearing hoodies. the 19-year-old had a pair of black and red leather high tops with the laces removed. both understood that the charges against them are extremely serious, anderson. >> and the government sources that you're talked to, they are describing this as something they have not seen before. how is it, the dual plans? >> reporter: i think this represents an elevation of what they believe was a real threat and what you hear from law enforcement, from what we've heard in the past couple of years, especially with regard to isis, was this concern about americans tr...