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About the nfl and its fans and they are morning today following death of a ball icon and hall of famer john madden. my next guest was inducted into the pro football hall of fame alongside the former coach and broadcaster. former new york giants, harry carson is with us. great to see you, harry. when you think about john madden, he was a coach, he was a broadcaster, had that huge video game franchise. essentially centered around ten. he is going to have a huge legacy here. a lot of people say there is nobody that loved this board more than he did. what did he mean to you? >> for me he meant dif...

Going into the pro football hall of fame, i went in with reggie white and troy aikman and warren moon. and the one person that i was really excited about going in with was john madden. because he was just one of those guys that, he was kind of an icon as far as i was concerned. he was a guy who is a straight shooter and in essence, i was amazed that it took him so long to get into pro football hall of fame and he was coming in with me. that is the reason why i think the 2006 class of hall of fame was the best group of hall of famer's to be inducted to the pro football hall of fame. >> jackie: ...

That made a difference. once he left football and he went into business and so forth, it still meant something to me because i have been like 30, 32 years removed from playing football, and last year, i was part of the madden team. so i the opportunity to be -- my grandson, my sons, they have been able to play harry carson from way back in the day. >> jackie: it is so interesting you see the photographs. you see the evolution of him. and his energy was just palpable, especially when he was broadcasting. he just brought the love of. and when you think about coaches, yeah, they coach teams. but ...

Has died at 85. former nfl star harry carson is here to weigh-in on the passing of his hall of fame classmate next.

I'm not a Joe Judge fan, mostly because I don't feel his philosophy of how to win games is a good one in today's NFL. I hate the blustering and stonewalling at pressers, but frankly he could recite...