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Those pathologies lead to elevated levels of criminality, which then led to disproportionate incarceration. that's the kind of story mainstream politics tells about this era. what's wrong with that story? >> i don't any there's anything pathological about the african-american community at all. i think the african-american community, you know, if you go into particularly deprived or poor african-american communities and you see certain behaviors you that feel may not be suitable, say, at harvard or, say, in a boardroom or say in a job interview, i think viewed within the context of the african-...

The legacy of racism and jim crow created this kind of segregation and poverty. the poverty created these "pathologies." you hear this all the time as embodied in the moynihan report. those pathologies lead to elevated levels of criminality, which then led to disproportionate incarceration. that's the kind of story mainstream politics tells about this era. what's wrong with that story? >> i don't any there's anything pathological about the african-american community at all. i think the african-american community, you know, if you go into particularly deprived or poor african-american communiti...