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It's incumbent upon all of our governments to do something about it. we haven't done it. >> you're friendly with secretary tillerson, fellow texan. how is his voice being heard? >> well, i don't know really the extent to which the president has empowered him. i would hope that he would empower him because that's the way you achieve foreign policy successes. you've got to have one person who is clearly in charge of foreign policy, formulation and implementation of it. the statutes say that's supposed to be the secretary of state. but there are other envoys in this administration, other people i...

They're mild by comparison. in many respects. >> coming up on the axe files. >> -- >> you're friendly with rex tillerson. how do you think he's playing in the administration? how is his voice being heard? >> i don't really know the extent to which the president has empowered him. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you? well, because it tells us something powerful about progress: