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Because that's actually how it's traditionally been used. not to mix it in with operations and health care. >> instead of asking for keystone and offshore oil and federal land exploitation and everything else on their goody list that has nothing to do with reducing the debt. thank you so much. we'll be right back. by the way, ted cruz says he hasn't shut down the government. president obama has. ted cruz says the debt ceiling's the way to go. cruz says his side is winning the argument. why exactly is the gop following him off the cliff? plus, the new tv unreality show, keeping up with the ...

Respond because it has drawn this red line and as we all know, chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction are banned by international law and are a war crime. this is where we are now. there is no big strategy beyond limited punitive strikes. so this war is going to continue even if there are strikes against this particular action. >> fran townsend, i want to play you a clip from president obama's interview today where he outlines the logic about what is going on here. >> we want the assad regime to understand by using chemical weapons in a large scale against your own people, against women...

Want a clear mission, they want to understand the beginning, middle and end game is supposed to be and will fight according to that requirement. yet again, here, as with iraq and afghanistan, it seems messy, unfocussed and as said, now they are raining back from this. it may be targeted but maybe a military target who may already be moving. what is the end game from a military point of view, how do you assess this? >> well, piers, first of all, thank your brother for his service. we appreciate what he's doing. it's not well-defined and the president has not cleared this up by his interview tod...

We were told by the free syrian army commander please do something enact your red line or it will happen again and sure enough it did with more catastrophic consequences. now the west, the united states is forced to respond because it has drawn this red line, as we all know chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction, are banned by international law and are a war crime. this is where we are but there is no strategy beyond limited punitive strikes some this war will continue even if there are strikes against this this particular action. >> i want to play you a clip from president obama's inte...

To that requirement. yet again, here, as with iraq and afghanistan, it seems messy, unfocussed and as said, now they are raining back from this. it may be targeted but maybe a military target who may already be moving. what is the end game from a military point of view, how do you assess this? >> well, piers, first of all, thank your brother for his service. we appreciate what he's doing. it's not well-defined and the president has not cleared this up by his interview today. what's not said is very significant. the president has not established a strategy in terms -- he hasn't given his intent...