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Something he wasn't able to do. you can't get involved in that, and a conspiracy, and think you're going to have a first amendment defense. the first amendment defense is a matter of law -- >> in the end of mine, he says we have the right to say that. you have the right to set you fill the election was stolen. you have i right to spread that lie as much as you want. it's one thing to spread it and say it and believe it, it's another thing to get other people involved, trying to impede congressional proceedings. >> it is about action. >> it is about action, yeah. >> all about action. >> anthony...

Rile up his base around that they are attacking me for my speech and what i believe in? >> it's absolutely the easiest message he has, ayman mohyeldin, but let me do a hat tip to cynthia. i've been racking my brain -- and the bank robbery think that she just mentioned, that is it. that is absolutely the best analogy. from my vantage point there are two things going on here in terms of his public approach to this case. the first is him trying to delay the case, delay, delay, delay is the name of the game. and i have been around illegal circles for a while and i will tell you most defendants who...

Message he has. but let me do a hat tip to cynthia. i've been wrecking my head for the best analogy since tuesday. that bank robbery think she mentioned, that's absolutely the best analogy. from my vantage point, there are two things is going on here in terms of his approach, public approach, to this case. the first is him trying to delay the case. delay, delay, delay is the name of the game. and i've been around legal circles for a while. i will tell you, most of the defendants who are innocent want to have the trial as quickly as they can, so that they can be proven innocent in a court of la...

This week that's going to turn out to be historic because of these twin deals. we talked about the wiliness, the compromise of president biden. eugene robinson eluded to this, we have to talk about how strong speaker mccarthy emerges from this. the numbers were bigger than you think. you see him walking around the capitol, a spring in his step, and you know why. we weren't sure he was still going to be speaker at this time. >> right. >> he is stronger, too. and you saw a little nod from one professional to another. president biden not only giving him his space, but biden, twice, in public stat...

>> he nodded to the house speaker as he has done a couple times in the process so far saying that he believes that both sides negotiated in good faith here. what is so interesting is the policy context to this which is so critical. it would have been a global economic catastrophe if the u.s. had defaulted but there is obviously a political stage setting for the 2024 campaign and i will tell you that in my conversations with those close to the white house they point to this moment as perhaps evidence that the president can point to down the road that he can be a force for stability and for bipa...