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Quandary is that he relies on nato resolutions and security council resolutions and the best he could get is a humanitarian resolution when the fact is that we need to take gadhafi out. this guy is a person who has lost all legitimacy just by the way of assad in syria. >> but you say take gadhafi out. how do you just say that if you're not willing to go all the way with ground troops to do that? can you do that with air power alone? >> i think you can do it with air power and a sufficiently trained and equipped liberation forces. look, these people hate gadhafi. that's why i think there's stil...

Mistake to use force to see that that happened. and what the president's quandary is that he relies on nato resolutions and security council resolutions and the best he could get is a humanitarian resolution when the fact is that we need to take gadhafi out. this guy is a person who has lost all legitimacy just by the way of assad in syria. >> but you say take gadhafi out. how do you just say that if you're not willing to go all the way with ground troops to do that? can you do that with air power alone? >> i think you can do it with air power and a sufficiently trained and equipped liberation...

>> i worry about a mission that the president says that the policy is the removal of gadhafi but says that it would be a mistake to use force to see that that happened. and what the president's quandary is that he relies on nato resolutions and security council resolutions and the best he could get is a humanitarian resolution when the fact is that we need to take gadhafi out. this guy is a person who has lost all legitimacy just by the way of assad in syria. go ahead. >> but you say take gadhafi out. how do you just say that if you're not willing to go all the way with ground troops to do tha...

He's also a man who i think now we discovered his dock rat from the london school of economics was a fraud. and that, you know, large chunks of it were written by outsiders. now given all of that, you know, how much trust can you absolutely put in him? to go back to an old reagan phrase. trust but verify in this case. >> i suppose, david, that raises the very difficult question then, we obviously have some role in determining whether or not there's a bargain to be struck here. but the opposition voices themselves, those waging the civil war in libya, how have they reacted as best we know? have...