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Counseled him to lie. if he had any discussions with him, they'd be about the version of the events that michael cohen gave them which they all believe was true. i believed it was true. i still believe it may be true because unlike these people who want to just believe him, i believe michael cohen is a serial liar. if you can figure out what michael cohen is telling the truth, you're better than i am, jake. that's what happened to buzzfeed. they bought a totally phony story. they weren't going to buy it unless they got some phony stuff about federal agents and then they went with it because th...

You have a hate red for the president. >> you just acknowledged that it's possible that president trump talked to michael cohen about his testimony -- >> which would be perfectly normal. which the president believed was true. >> so it's possible that happened, that president trump talked to -- >> i don't know if it happened or didn't happen. it may be attorney/client privilege if it happened. but i have no knowledge that he spoke to him. but i wasn't there. it's not significant because the version he gave to the -- >> but he's convicted of -- one thing he pled guilty to, i believe, is lying to...

Movie coming out. bim, bam, boom. >> "the larry sanders show" was very unique in that it was very deadpan. and really groundbreaking in its day. >> i think it made people really go, that's the level of work you may be able to do on a cable network. >> "oz" comes on in '97. and it's set in this fictional penitentiary. wow. what a strange show that was. >> in "oz," sometimes the things you can't touch are more real than the things you can. for instance, fear, hate red, loneliness, are more real to me than a shank and a soul. >> it was jaw-droppingly violent. it was a men's prison. it probably sh...

Impeached. if he didn't quit first just ahead of it. richard nixon hated the press. as a californiaian. he had a complex relationship with them and hated "the l.a. times" and the hate red for the chandler family, that showed up. using the available federal machinery. the power of the federal government to the extent he can control it to punish his enemies. our current president hates the press and talks about how he hates cnn and nbc and new york times and "the washington post." and founded and run's amazon.com, the richest man on earth right now.

He ain't never going to get away with that. his life is miserable. everywhere he goes, they're going to give it to him raw. everywhere he go, he ain't never going to be able to live. he might as well do himself a favor and kill himself. >> the notoriety around brown's case forced jail officials to put him in protective custody. >> there was a lot of people trying to get to him, so that's why we ended up having to place him in a single cell and protect him, due to his case. >> i'm not a protective custody type of guy. i like to fight my own battle. they say, they gonna kill you on the yard. wel...