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Founder. that it has released a series of reports identifying what they have described as hate sites over the years. and more recently moved into the covid misinformation game. the white house claimed that there were these 12 different accounts that were the source of the overwhelming lone wolf of misinformation. there is very little evidence, actually of this put forward. are you disturbed at all that the american white house would be relying on foreign sort of secretive firms for the sources of which americans to target on social media? >> everything about what the white house is proposing a...

Senator? >> the president is more determined than ever to get something on it makes sense we will not take peoples guns away from them. i own an ar-15 i lawfully own a gun. if you took my gun away the bad guys will not give up their guns. it is the person with the gun i'm focused on. we want to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people who are hateful or mentally ill. the red flaglegislation grants the state to have these red flag laws , the president is focused on that. working with senator joe manchin we can enhance background checks. the guy in philadelphia has been convicted six or ei...

The one that took storm front down, the nazi website. so that guy has a huge amount of power on whether these hate sites live or die and there is a legitimately a question of whether we want to give him control over these hate sites, too. >> before we go, you are back at the helm. you had been briefly dismissed. there was a staff uprising. folks quit. now you are back. what happened? >> yeah. it was a real lesson for me. i left. i found the markup to really focus on the impact on society. and i recruited a business partner who had a huge track record running businesses and thought that that wo...

Largest neo-nazi hate sites on the internet he talked about. my next guest met derek black a former white nationalist walked away from the ideology. the author of rising out of hatred, derek black's story growing up as a white supremacist and how he found his way out. eli, welcome to the show. let me start with how much, give a sense of how what kind of problem this is on the internet and how much this is a growing issue. >> it's a massive problem. unfortunately, it's not just a massive problem on the internet as we're seeing increasingly. i think sometimes in this country, our primarily probl...

Rise over hatred a product of the tools of social media and the internet. cnn hate sites cannot be stopped. here's cnn sarah side ner. >> what's been made clear we have a problem in one of the problems is online. there are places on the web that are not in the dark web. open public spaces that white nationalists and supremacists. racists are going to encourage each other to violence. and that is exactly what was happening on 8 chan. >> minutes before the chaos unleashed on families at walmart in el paso. the accused gunman may have spelled out why he waged war on innocence. a hate filled manif...