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If we have information about a terrorist making contact somewhere in the united states, then we have the ability to go into this hay stack and the ability to pick out just two things a phone number and a length of call. nobody's name is there. and there is no address or any issue like that. >> living in san diego, prior to 9/11. those are the guys who drove the plane that crashed into the pentagon, all right. we do not know they're in san diego. they called a known terrorist facility in the middle east about a half a dozen times. they probably called them more than a half a dozen times. i'm ju...

>> well, i'll tell you, we tried starting it, at least locating the point of origin, but it was still too hot for for the first two days. we were finally able to get it cooled down, so we moved our investigators in, and they're just combing for every needle in a hay stack for lack of a better turn to really pin down where the initial flame took off. jenna: what would be the motivation? i mean, has there been anything that's come up among the conversations so far that have suggested a motivation for starting a forest fire like this? >> no. there hasn't been any evidence to suggest that there wa...

Attack. what they're doing now is taking in all of this magnitude of much more data and it's making the job much more difficult. they're making themselves dysfunctional. >> that's to me an important question. we're getting so much information. we keep talking about the needle in a hay stack but are we making the hay stack so big we'll never find the needle. >> technology has changed a great deal and we have programs that can go after the data but i think that the principles that bill outlines are correct and should be guiding what the government is doing. a couple of the challenges we have is ...

Attack. what they're doing now is taking in all of this magnitude of much more data and it's making the job much more difficult. they're making themselves dysfunctional. >> that's to me an important question. we're getting so much information. we keep talking about the needle in a hay stack but are we making the hay stack so big we'll never find the needle. >> technology has changed a great deal and we have programs that can go after the data but i think that the principles that bill outlines are correct and should be guiding what the government is doing. a couple of the challenges we have is ...

Attack. what they're doing now is taking in all of this magnitude of much more data and it's making the job much more difficult. they're making themselves dysfunctional. >> that's to me an important question. we're getting so much information. we keep talking about the needle in a hay stack but are we making the hay stack so big we'll never find the needle. >> technology has changed a great deal and we have programs that can go after the data but i think that the principles that bill outlines are correct and should be guiding what the government is doing. a couple of the challenges we have is ...