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>> what we did was we for over a decade, we've lowered the penalties. we're trying to be smart about it. you don't want to ruin a kid's life for having a joint. and that was historically what you saw. and we put drug courts into place, we've -- i think kids make really smart decisions about dealing with people, particularly when it comes to these small amounts of drugs. and we've been able to shut down a prison in the state of texas. i mean, that is conservative, man. >> and did this decision have anything to do with willie nelson. did he lobby you in any way for this? >> you've got to love wi...

>> what we did was we for over a decade, we've lowered the penalties. we're trying to be smart about it. you don't want to ruin a kid's life for having a joint. and that was historically what you saw. and we put drug courts into place, we've -- i think kids make really smart decisions about dealing with people, particularly when it comes to these small amounts of drugs. and we've been able to shut down a prison in the state of texas. i mean, that is conservative, man. >> and did this decision have anything to do with willie nelson. did he lobby you in any way for this? >> you've got to love wi...