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Person, later 70s, 80s and you're still cooking and voting and you hear somebody's coming along the tinker with your medicare, which is the one thing you've been able to count on in your later years, the one thing. you've been able to get your medical bills paid for. and this guy comes along and says, i've got this new idea, i'm going to voucherize someone. i want to know who's going to insure someone who's 82 37 what are we talking about here? the insanity of the ryan plan, i got to first of all, go find the insurance company and then see what they're going to charge me? they're not going to ...

I doubt they're under the illusion that they're going to win on this issue, but maybe not lose quite as badly as they otherwise would. >> let me go to robert on that. seems to me if you're an elderly person, later 70s, 80s and you're still cooking and voting and you hear somebody's coming along the tinker with your medicare, which is the one thing you've been able to count on in your later years, the one thing. you've been able to get your medical bills paid for. and this guy comes along and says, i've got this new idea, i'm going to voucherize someone. i want to know who's going to insure som...