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>> yeah, it was a really good question and i don't think that jay carney's dancing was enough to get him out of hot water. i don't understand how people can't be aware, especially at the higher up. you have to think about it. dug shulman testified before two committees when he pointedly was asked was his agency targeting tea partying, and pro israel and jewish groups and targeting pro life groups and he adamantly denied it not once but twice. it happened a year after lois learner and other managers, including their chief counsel at the irs, had several different meetings will where they discus...

House, ways and means committee, he's saying that doug shulman and others lied before congress. we are going to begin some hearings tomorrow with his successor. what are your thoughts as a liberal? >> well, first of all, doug shulman was not a liberal. george w. bush appointed him. we've seen hue heads roll, the number one and number two at the irs currently difficult, i think that shulman should be brought and that should be brought up? absolutely. we said on the left and on the right as americans that we don't want anyone targetrded, and i say that as a liberal but also, sean, i don't want a...

The way, got $100,000, technically $103,000 in bonuses for having done a great job, do you really believe that she was picked to implement obamacare at the internal revenue service where there's a huge build-up of staff to make sure they contract every single person in america on the health side, that she was picked without the white house approval? it's in conceivable. i hope the congress will demand every e-mail, every conversation related to her being picked for that job. it is clearly going to lead directly into the white house. >> well, that's pretty profound. how significant, in your vie...

Actions before your counsel's office found out on april 22nd and when they did find out do you think you should have learned about it before you learned about it from news reports as you said last friday? >> let make sure i answer your specific question. i can assure you that i certainly did not know anything about the i.g. report before the i.g. report had been leaked through press -- through the press. >> the president's carefully worded response didn't address the specific question. we are told tonight jay carney told him this evening that folks in the white house were first made aware of a...

The way, got $100,000, technically $103,000 in bonuses for having done a great job, do you really believe that she was picked to implement obamacare at the internal revenue service where there's a huge build-up of staff to make sure they contract every single person in america on the health side, that she was picked without the white house approval? it's in conceivable. i hope the congress will demand every e-mail, every conversation related to her being picked for that job. it is clearly going to lead directly into the white house. >> well, that's pretty profound. how significant, in your vie...