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fbi used everyday americans 28,000 times going into 2020 to 2021. section 02 of the foreign intelligence surveillance act also known as fisa. it gives the fbi and other agencies the ability to difficultily surveil.used the te civil unrest following the death of george floyd on the streets of the united states. those involved in the january 6th capitol attack. even political donors. according to the court a redacted name or names, quote: conducted a batch query for over 19,000 donors to a congressional campaign. the analyst who ran the query advised that the campaign was a target of f...

>> he espionage is happening al over all the time. yeah, they can try. evidently from what i've heard, they didn't get very far. a >> so you're not worried about russian entities, people, bots we've heard that they used to deploy during the past election being able to do more in future elections if we don't get to the bottom of it? >> well, sure you it's concerning, but all dibd of espionage and operations are concerning, but we have to be manned up enough to fight it back. >> how do you fight back -- >> well, i think that we have pretty strong cyber capabilities. and i think that there are ma...

Espionage and interfering in an elections? >> yes. espionage implies, to me at least, a passive collection. this was much more activist. >> so when it comes to espionage, we better be careful about throwing rocks. when it comes to interfering in our election, we better be ready to throw rocks. do you agree with that? >> that's a good metaphor. >> i believe what obama did was throw a pebble. i would be willing to throw a rock. taking your information about russia's involvement in our election and what they're doing throughout the world, would i be justified in being more aggressive than preside...

Agreement. but obviously, general clapper, from your testimony, the chinese have not abided by that, have they? >> they have. >> i thought you indicated -- >> i indicated in my testimony -- i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry, i thought you said in your testimony today that they continue to conduct cyber attacks. >> they continue to conduct cyber espionage. they have curtailed, as best we can tell, there has been a reduction, i think the private sector would agree with this, there has been some reduction in their cyber activity. and the agreement simply called for stopping such attacks for commercial gain...

Conduct espionage. >> isn't that answer just part of the problem, that we're showing that we're not going to make it costly for them to come in and steal the files of 22 million americans including many intel officers? >> well, as i say, people live in glass houses need to think about throwing rocks. this was an act of espionage. you know, we and other nations conduct similar acts of espionage. if we're going to punish each other for acts of he espionage, that's a different policy issue. >> senator king. >> thank you, mr. chairman. your opening statements are always erudite and thoughtful. but...