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The base that in theory might still care about donald trump but be interested in mike pence too. to ron's point, i don't know what percentage of inparty that is, but there is, mike pence is not the only figure thinking about 2024 who is trying to figure out kind of how to have it both ways. i think nikki haley with her campaign video today and her expected announcement tomorrow in charleston, is to some extent dealing with a similar problem, which is that at first she was completely against donald trump. then when he became president, she joined his administration, served as his u.n. ambassado...

Carolina, where the campaign is going to be based and then haley is going to be hitting the road like the 2024 hopefuls do visiting early states iowa and new hampshire, and clear from the video that one of the big arguments that she is going to be making in the race is that she is going to be a new generation of leadership, and not sure if it is aimed at trump or biden. but it is clear that if she wins, she would have to go against biden, but right now, the major rival is major trump, because he is the main gop candidate. and if you remember, haley was critical of his announcement, and then sh...

So, there is this kind of behind the scenes conversation happening as to whether or not ron desantis has it in him to go up against a donald trump. and it was the same conversation that we had in the, 17 person spread back in 2015 as we looked at the republican primary in wondered who could go against donald trump and candidate -- in hearing his response there, what do you make of it. >> you know, it's interesting, even before groomer gate or trump accusing him of being a question of whether not ron desantis could really punch back and attacked donald trump. none of the candidates in 2016 coul...

Questioned at least one potential investor santos tried to recruit. >> i was so outraged, i was upset. >> norah: attorney tiffany bogosian told us she went to school with santos, he where he went by george devolder, and reconnected with him three years ago. >> that is why i ran into at starbucks. >> reporter: she later told him she settled a big case for a client, $2 million. she said santos properly invited her and her client to dinner. >> he asked for $300,000 principal investment, and he essentially said, you know come every 2-3 weeks, there would be an allowance of, you know, 2000-$3,000 t...

With the nypd. john, first of all, what's your reaction to the firefighters getting fired, two others officers have been put on leave, including one of them who said "i hope they stomp his ass" after he ran. what is that officer's liability? >> so this is the triage piece, which is they've kind of separated the first wave of who is going to be handled in serious criminal charges. not that the rest of these people aren't going to be looked at for criminal charges. but this is pretty much the administrative portion. the firefighters for standing by where someone was seriously injured and clearly...