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And you might be in the back of a police car. >> who else did he do this with. in thomas murphy. >> that is his m.o. >> we are getting too in the weeds here. what we are saying, though, is his intent to have her killed is relevant. it is there through this witness. >> and he has to explain it. that is why i say if he has any kahunas he has to testify. he goes on rivery media outlet but he won't testify. >> he may because he st being e thinks he will get on the witness stand and work them like mark told me he tried to work him. >> judge jeanine: he tried to work all of us. come on. >> he is loo...